KEF LS50

[Bozon 687]

On 2/5/2020 at 6:29 PM, pbanados said:

En realidad Mingus y Jaime, la gente de Dirac -super buena onda- algo me ayudó con esto (aunque me dijeron que era asunto de Minidsp), y me dieron datos de un posteo en ese foro con pistas para el problema. En base a ello pude cachar que tenía otro software ocupando las mismos puertos IP del Dirac/DDRC-24, lo cual hacía que el DDRC-24 (ex 2x4HD) no fuera reconocido en mi equipo por el Dirac -creo que era un motor de base de datos Postgres que tengo corriendo en él- (es un Mac mini server, que funcionó como tal por harto tiempo). Detectarlo ya de por sí fue una paja: puros rastreos con comandos unix desde el terminal...

Levanté el otro software, liberando las puertas, y como que funcionó... hasta puse un post optimista sobre esto en ese foro, pero eso fue antes de intentar hacer las mediciones con Dirac. A poco andar, falló de nuevo: primero Dirac no reconoció el mic de medición (que es el Umik-1, tb de minidsp!); y después Dirac se negó nuevamente a encontrar el DDRC-24 (tengo que chequear si el Postgres se levantó automáticamente en alguna actualización del sistema, por ejemplo). Ando medio escaso de tiempo y de ganas de seguir hueveando con esto, pero ya haré la pega, lo prometo...

Si no ocupo Dirac, el DDRC-24 funciona bien, pero como te contaba no reconoce los archivos de ecualización hechos para 2x4HD. En la desesperada, podría copiar las ecualizaciones hechas por REW para el 2x4HD, porque el DDRC-24 parece que no está declarado como destino en REW, para haberlos hecho de nuevo directo con REW, midiendo de nuevo. Si nada de eso funciona, no me quedará más que hacer downgrade DDR-24->2x4HD, y comerme la rabia de haber gastado US$200 por nada.  También estoy pensando hacerlo desde un laptop con windows, pero ... odio windows 

 

pd: me he leído los malditos manuales -todos- n veces, ya me los sé de memoria.. cuando les mandé el mail describiendo el problema, hasta les citaba los # de páginas del mismo y copias de pantalla del software... y me contestan que lea el manual y que baje el software!.

pdf: todo este pajeo es por la expectativa de que la ecualización DDRC-24/Dirac sea mejor que la de 2x4HD/REW... Aquí yace Don Filidor, que estando bien quiso estar mejor... 

Vengo leyendo esto medio tarde, pero no entiendo para qué te desgastas tanto con MiniDSP y Dirac. Te recomiendo la solución de SonarWorks, es agnóstica al equipo y suena mucho mejor  porque puedes usar cualquier DAC, a diferencia de los productos MiniDSP que de grado audiófilo están bastante lejanos. ¿tú tenías DAC Chord o me equivoco?

Como alternativa, no sé si eres usuario de ROON, este software permite cargar los perfiles de "convolución" de REW y funciona muy bien. 

Por último, el PreAmp de NAD c658 (acá en el foro lo he visto en venta un par de veces) tiene la funcionalidad de Dirac incorporada, incluso trae el microfono y, además de ser pre, trae streamer BluOS y viene con DAC Sabre32. Yo apuntaría a ese equipo que son de sonido de alta calidad en vez de los dudosos MiniDSP 

Editado February 10, 2020 at 21:17 por Bozon

[Cl4udio 58]

On 12-09-2019 at 14:36, fabian ramirez dijo:

esa es la mentira numero 1 de cualquier forero..., aplica a parlantes, amp, cables,fuentes, señoras...etc

Se la dije a mi mujer varias veces en los últimos 8 meses

[pbanados 930]

/S Me retracto de todo cuanto he dicho de estos parlantes, culpa del mi absoluta ignorancia, dado que, con como 40 años obsesionado por esto el audio, no aún no logro aquilatar qué es bueno o malo /S.  A quedado super claro por las opiniones de los super-audiófilos del foro que todos los reviewers de todo el mundo están comprados por la KEF (los otros cientos de anunciadores son super giles y se quedan impávidos viendo como les cagan todos sus productos con un parlante cagón, baratito). Ahora, claro, la KEF lo hace todo por debajo de la mesa, porque no les paga con anuncios, debe ser plata directo al bolsillo: Si dudan de esto (acuérdense que soy re mentiroso), por favor revisen uno por uno los links adjuntos a ver cuántos avisos de KEF pillan. Yo no veo ni uno solo...

Además, después de todo el billete que les pasan, les juegan chueco a KEF algunos. Imagínate que la Stereophile clasificó uno de los buques insignias dela marca, los Refefence 1, que pretenden vender en US$20.000, en clase B, cuando  a los LS50 los han tenido en clase A por 7 años ya...

Pero, nosotros gloriosos chilenos, vencedores y nunca vencidos, no nos dejamos engañar:  como todos habrán visto en otros hilos,  los parlantes son "ahí no más", tienen problemas de "ringing", y no importa lo bien que midan en los gráficos, suenan como las weas: apenas calificaban para las 500 Lucas que se venden usados (US$600), cuando la KEF pretendía pedir *exhorbitantes* US$1500 por ello al principio. 

A si que, como servicio de utilidad pública, preparé este pequeño compilado de reviews de los LS50 de todos estos vendidos que circulan por el mundo de las revistas y sitios web independientes. La paciencia me alcanzó como para una docena no más (tampoco para traducir), así que dejé por lo menos otros 30 afuera. Pero da una idea de lo corrupto de este mundo del hifi (¡hasta John Darko cayó en esto, como comprobarán!). Por suerte acá en Chile tenemos almas inmaculadas que no se dejan engañar: 

Algunos links de reviews a los KEF LS50 (links primero, extracto en el mismo orden abajo):

https://positive-feedback.com/Issue68/kef_ls50.htm

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-sam-tellig-may-2014

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-stephen-mejias-june-2014

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/kef-ls50-loudspeaker/

https://www.whathifi.com/kef/ls50/review

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-audiophiliacs-speaker-of-the-year-the-kef-ls50/

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/kef-ls50-50th-anniversary-eidition

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-kef-ls50-speaker

https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/557-kef-ls50-loudspeakers

https://darko.audio/2013/07/kef-ls50-loudspeakers-w-three-budget-amplifiers/

https://audioplacebo.com/kef-ls50-review/

 

Extractos seleccionadps:

1. Positive Feedback

Mark Pearson (Julio, 2013):

“So how do the LS50s sound? In a word, stunning. I call these speakers the little "truth tellers" because that is exactly what they do. The midrange and highs are so pure you could be fooled into thinking you were listening to a pair of electrostatic speakers. The LS50s truly speak with a single voice. They also throw a very wide and deep soundstage where every instrument and singer is placed with precision upon the soundstage. Voices have to be heard to be believed and appreciated through these little gems.”

“I have been a proud owner of the Beatles BC-13 EMI Parlaphone LP collection for over 30 years (sometimes referred to as the Blue Box collection) and I can tell you that Beatles have never sounded better than when played through the LS50s. The voices of John, Paul, George, and Ringo just sound incredibly right. You also can quickly zero in on all of the studio tricks that were used by George Martin, especially with the very early LPs.”

“These tweeters are very sweet and delicate sounding while still retaining all of the dynamic characteristics that makes the upper partials of drums and cymbals sound so exciting and real. “

“You can pay far more money than the cost of the KEF LS50 speakers, but you may not buy the quality of sound that these speakers are capable of delivering at anywhere near their price point including a suitable pair of stands. “

“Whether you are buying your first system or your last system, the LS50s are faithful to the music and they will shine a light on the upstream components. The better your source material and your preamp/amp or integrated amp are, the better the LS50s will sound. Even at the full retail price of $1500, these are an incredible bargain. Highly recommended.”

 

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2. Stereophile

-John Atkinson (dic, 2012):

“It is a cliché to describe a minimonitor as "sounding larger than it looks," but that was the case with the LS50 once I'd optimized their setup.”

“the LS50's high frequencies sounded very clean, with no grain or steeliness. This is a high-quality tweeter.”

“I would go so far as to say that the LS50 is one of the finest speakers at reproducing female voices that I have heard—for less than what you can pay for a set of high-end interconnects!”

“Against the LS50 the Rogers sounded distinctly nasal-colored. There was more top-octave energy apparent than with the KEF, which added "air" rather than brightness, but also lent overcooked rock recordings a "spitty" edge. The LS50 sounded considerably more neutral than the vintage speakers in both the midrange and treble, with naturally recorded cymbals sounding less like textured white noise.”

“Classical orchestral, solo piano, and vocal recordings were better suited to the more neutrally balanced KEF, and rock to the B&W (CM5), with its more laid-back low treble and more extended low frequencies. On balance, I preferred the LS50.”

“It is rare to find a loudspeaker that offers this combination of clarity and neutrality. For KEF's LS50 Anniversary Model to do so for a penny under $1500/pair makes it even more remarkable. This thoroughbred both shows a clean pair of heels to the venerable LS3/5a and, within its limits of dynamic range and bass extension, will provide Class A sound for those with small rooms. Recommended. Highly.”

 

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3. Stereophile

-Sam Tellig (mayo, 2014):

“I found the LS50's tonality spot-on, more neutral than sweet. Soundstaging and imaging were top-notch. Definition was superb, ranking with the very best speakers at any price. I haven't had such great sound in my listening room since the departure of Quad's ESL-2805 electrostatics.”

 

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4. Stereophile

-Stephen Mejias (junio, 2014):

“LS50 loudspeaker ($1499.99/pair) was named Stereophile's Budget Product and Overall Component of the Year, marking the first time in 22 years of voting that any component had earned this strange double distinction. Consider the achievement: The former award is typically granted to products that provide outstanding value but may nevertheless exhibit some obvious, albeit carefully considered, compromise(s); the latter, loftier award is often won by cost-no-object, flagship designs that shun even the thought of compromise and inhabit only our wildest audiophile fantasies. It's unusual for an audio component to be both reasonably priced and unquestionably elite. The LS50 managed it.”

“Small and relatively affordable, the KEF LS50 stands proud among even the most magnificent company. In 13 years of working at Stereophile, I have not seen another component that offers such a radical combination of value and performance.”

“The first thing I noticed about the LS50's sound was the clarity with which it presented voices."

“The KEFs were far bolder, clearer, more musically explicit than any speakers I'd ever heard in my home, without exhibiting the slightest bit of unwarranted edge or aggression.

The kick drum suddenly emerged from nowhere, with just the right amount of impact and driving force. Lorde's voice was positioned suitably high and slightly forward in the mix, with eerily realistic presence, natural tone, and striking beauty. The imaging precision and soundstaging stability weren't the best I've heard—at demos by TAD, Vivid, Wilson Audio Specialties, and YG Acoustics—but were still remarkably good, and easily the best I've experienced at home.”

I got used to the KEF LS50s. But it wasn't until I replaced them with the Wharfedales that I really recognized and appreciated their brilliance…. the KEFs are in an altogether different league. With the LS50s in my system, there's just so much more to enjoy—more body, more beauty, more control, more music. “

 

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5. The Absolute Sound

-Neil Gader (julio, 2013):

“Sonically the LS50 doesn’t suggest the lighter, faster, and edgier personality of the average compact with a five-incher for a driver. This is an essentially neutral monitor throughout the mid-range. But there’s also a prevailing sweet- ness, a harmonic saturation that lends it a dark, velvety overall character, and a bloom that is so pleasing that I began affectionately dubbing it the butterscotch sundae of small monitors.”

“When listening to a variety of symphonic music I noted image focus was excellent, as I’d expected from a coincident driver. But it’s not hyper-focused. It provides a more spacious, open, and, in my view, authentic representation of an orchestra. Yes, the LS50 has quick transient reflexes, but that is not what grabbed my attention. Rather, it was its bloom and tonal weight. Heavens to Betsy, this little speaker has guts.”

“The mid- and upper-treble range is smooth; the sibilance region is controlled— crisp and clean, but with compliance. As I listened to the Bryn Terfel and Renée Fleming duet on “Not While I’m Around” from Under the Stars [Decca], I felt the physical presence of these superb singers, their voices seamlessly expressed. “

“The mid- and upper-treble range is smooth; the sibilance region is controlled— crisp and clean, but with compliance. As I listened to the Bryn Terfel and Renée Fleming duet on “Not While I’m Around” from Under the Stars [Decca], I felt the physical presence of these superb singers, their voices seamlessly expressed. “

“one of the most all-around-satisfying little speakers I’ve reviewed in some time. Construction and execution are exemplary. It delivers the kind of performance that deserves to be on a Wheaties box. And there’s an incalculable coolness factor that makes it a breath of fresh air. The LS50 also answers the classic question, “Who says you can’t teach an old box new tricks?”

 

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6. What Hi-fi? (oct,2012)

Best standmounter £400-£800, Awards 2013. Simply brilliant

“Given a little space to breathe and mounted on a pair of solid stands these monitors sound terrific. The first thing that strikes us is the quality of the bass performance.”

“Move up the frequency range and these KEFs continue to impress. Kate Bush’s vocals on 50 Words For Snow are as clear and articulate as you could wish for. These speakers communicate the energy and drive in a piece of music brilliantly.”

“Of course, the LS50’s innate transparency means that any flaws in the partnering kit will be apparent. But get it right and you have what is one of the best standmounters below £1000, and easily one of KEF’s most musical efforts in years.”

 

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7. C-NET

The Audiophiliac's speaker of the year: The KEF LS50

“the LS50s projected a massive sound field. Spatial depth and resolution of fine detail were exceptionally good, so when I played Muddy Waters' "Folk Singer" LP I didn't just hear Muddy and his band, I heard them playing within the acoustic of the recording studio, so the music was more believably alive. The LS50 communicates music's subtle dynamic shifts with rare precision, and that may be one of the reasons why it sounds so lifelike”

“It's one of the best small hi-fi speakers I've heard at any price.”

 

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8. Inner Fidelity:

Steve Guttemberg (nov, 2012)

“…with this recording's uncompressed album played back at (near) realistic levels the sound just about bowled me over. The drums and tuba rhythm section was unstoppable, and soundstage focus was razor sharp. I was present at the Chesky Records sessions for this album, "Dreams of New Orleans," so when I heard the LS50s reproduce not only the sound of the players, but also the church's acoustic they were playing in I knew these speakers could get the quietest, low-level room sounds just right. The brass' tonality was spot-on, downright luscious when they played sweet and mellow, and the hard-hitting transients were all there when the spirit demanded it.”

“voice and presence … were fully realized over the LS50s, she was there, all there. This woman inhabits the tunes, she's really expressing the feelings and emotions of the songs' lyrics. The LS50s' imaging again and again surprised me, the stage was broad, deep and spacious.”

"The soundstage extended beyond the actual locations of the speakers, and that open quality made it easy to forget about the speakers as point sources, they were gone! “

“…bass was tighter and punchier than the Harbeth P3ESR speakers I reviewed here on Inner Fidelity a few months ago. The clarity down there was superb, but it's not a forgiving speaker, feed the LS50s harsh and gritty recordings and they're going to sound harsh and gritty.”

“The players' pulse was so damn solid and loose at the same time it was impossible to sit still in my chair, the LS50 communicates rhythm and pace with rare skill.”

“Spatial density was extraordinary, and the LS50 decoded the intricacies with ease. The speakers sounded great at low, moderate and loud levels. I rarely crank the volume up, but the LS50s' freewheeling dynamics encouraged higher than average listening levels.”

“The LS50 is the best desktop speaker I've heard at home.”

 

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9. Sound & Vision

S&V Team

“Rarely has a compact mini-monitor of this size sounded so amazingly good like the LS50 from KEF.”

“PLUS: Glorious sound / Impeccable build and finish / Should cost a lot more.

MINUS: Don´t bother with the LS50 if the rest of your equipment isn´t up to snuff…”

“Like very few other speakers, the LS50 will be able to exactly and unequivocally make clear whether the sound engineer has done a good job in the studio or not. If the singer is slightly off center, it is the work of the sound engineer – the compact KEF LS50 hides no details. Toed-in and aligned straight at the listener, it gave us an extremely clean and focused center stage in our listening room.”

“The resolution of depth and width is extraordinary, voices sound natural and have exactly the right size and volume. Despite its small dimensions, the LS50 fills the listening room very convincingly with music. KEF's monitor speaker have an amazing stability to the sound and certainly has floorstander qualities - for a compact speaker with a 5.25 inch driver, this is more than remarkable. “

“KEF monitors inspire with their plasticity, spatial acuity and their firm and clean sound image with excellent detail resolution. A real loudspeaker super star which time after time can give you spine-tingling experiences, particularly with vocal performances. KEF LS50 pairs accuracy with enthusiasm - they are the ideal speakers to make any type of music into an event.”

“…a visually gorgeous speaker with equally glorious sound. Rarely has a compact mini-monitor of this size sounded so amazingly good like these speakers from KEF. And at this price - it´s and absolute recommendation!”

 

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10. SoundStageHifi

Doug Schneider (Abril 2013)

“My eyes opened wide, my mouth fell open, and my hands were immediately drawn to the speaker cables, to hook up the LS50s to a far less powerful, lower-cost amp: the Eximus S1 (125Wpc into 8 ohms, $2500). I wanted to find out if the unbelievably full, rich sound I was hearing had mostly to do with the Simaudio amp, or if I could replicate it with something that a $1500/pair minimonitor might actually be used with in the real world. Moments later, I had the answer: I could.”

“Part of their big sound had to do with how the LS50 projected soundwaves unencumbered by their cabinets, to lay out an enormous soundstage with recording after recording. They “disappeared” completely into those vast soundstages, giving no aural hint of their actual physical locations.”

“But what made the LS50 sound downright spectacular was its exceptional voicing throughout the audioband. It made this big-sounding little speaker sound so natural and real that I’m pretty sure it could give a number of much costlier speakers, stand-mounted and floorstanding, grief.”

“Buena Vista Social Club Presents Omara Portuondo (16/44.1 FLAC, Nonesuch) exploded into my room with a stage that went from here to there, and Portuondo’s voice was placed in the center of it in an extraordinarily lifelike way: tonally accurate, vividly positioned, richly textured, totally tangible, and completely authentic.”

“The LS50s’ re-creation of piano was shocking -- many large speakers have trouble doing this in a way that sounds wholly natural, and most small ones don’t stand a chance -- they often sound tinkly, like a child’s toy piano. The LS50s made Ola Gjeillo’s piano-based Stone Rose (16/44.1 FLAC, 2L) sound thundering and glorious in a way I thought no small speaker could ever. And if I had to describe in a single word the LS50s’ reproduction of Norika Ogawa’s recording of Mozart’s Piano Sonatas 10-12 (24/96 FLAC, BIS/eClassical.com), that word would be ‘pure’. Every keystroke was presented with a crystalline clarity that wasn’t only uncanny for the LS50s’ price, but for multiples of it.”

“The LS50’s sound, irrespective of price, was outstanding in my room: a wide-open soundfield; razor-sharp imaging; voluminous bass; soaring, clean highs; and a midband as natural as it was clear. Holy moly, this speaker sounded good -- and at a ridiculously low price.

The LS50 is nothing short of a masterpiece of a minimonitor, priced so that anyone serious about audio can buy a pair -- and probably should, if only to know how great a small speaker can be.”

 

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11. Darko Audio

John Darko

“In case you’re in any doubt (and as good as the X300A are) the LS50 outclass their powered siblings in almost every respect. The LS50 are warmer in the midrange, more inviting and enveloping and – with the right amplifier attached – FAR more dynamic. They sound simultaneously punctilious and suave. It’s the difference between a Jack + coke and a modestly priced single malt. Both can get you ripped but the latter takes one’s palette through more complex flavours."

“Perhaps the (wo)men in white coats at KEF’s development lab in Kent instead asked themselves: what might the LS3/5a sound like today?”

“Aside from Harbeth’s P3ESR, Spendor’s SA1 – a sealed design – are the least rock n roll in the aforelisted boxes and yet I’ve consistently name-checked them as my favourite in the sub-$3k standmount category because of their talents with imaging, tone and transparency (particularly with voices). This pick of the pops now shifts to KEF’s 50th birthday badboys.”

“The LS50’s top-end is as smooth as that of the Spendor SA1 but that’s pretty much where the similarities end. The LS50 release more upper-frequency air than the SA1 and the ATC SCM11 but not as much as the ProAc TR8 (which sizzles) or PMC DB1i (which sparkles). The rear-ported KEF isn’t transmission line like the DB1i but bass goes considerably deeper than even the PMC. Bass integration is also better on the KEF.”

“Nothing images like a ProAc? The LS50 do – that’s ‘Uni-Q’ coaxial magic at work. Music emanates from a space between and behind the speakers, seemingly physically disconnected from the boxes spinning the aural illusion.”

“Excitement and dynamics are more up in yr grill with the LS50 than the Spendor SA1 – they present closer to the PMC DB1i’s “where’s the party?” vibe without giving up anything in the midrange transparency department. There’s also some of the tonal fatness that I enjoy in the ATC SCM 11. Good news too on the mid bass hump front: on the LS50 there isn’t one."

“In short: KEF have designed the ultimate all-rounder, go-anywhere-do-anything standmount loudspeaker.”

 

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12. Audio Placebo

AudioPlacebo staff (2019)

“…there’s no doubt that KEF LS50 is a fantastic monitor speaker. It’s capable of bringing that ‘soundstage feel’ straight to your living room. Buying a KEF LS50 bookshelf speakers would mean taking your listening experience to a whole new level… these speakers are gonna show you a new world of audio that you never knew existed. They’re gonna provide you with super-rich sound, a kind that you probably haven’t have the pleasure to hear before”

“The bass is deep and powerful, which is rather surprising considering that the sound is coming from such a small set of speakers. But, the size apparently does not matter. At least in the case of KEF LS50, which are capable of creating bone-shaking bass, which still does not steal the show entirely. Instead, it keeps everything in balance. And that means that the mids and highs also sound perfect. The vocals are incredibly accurate, without absolutely no distortions.”

“Fantastic sound – If you’ve used only budget speakers so far, you’re gonna be shocked by the quality of sound created by KEF LS50. The performances of these bookshelf speakers are fantastic, regardless of the frequency. And considering their pretty small size, it’s really shocking that the bass they create is so impressive.”

“Of course, as you’ve probably figured out already, our absolute favorite is KEF LS50. It has everything you may ask from bookshelf speakers.”

“When it comes to KEF LS50, it’s not just about the longevity. It’s actually more about the sound quality these speakers can produce. You can be sure that no cheap bookshelf speakers can provide you with such high audio performances as KEF LS50!”

“So, if the music plays an important role in your life, why not treat yourself with a pair of bookshelf speakers that will take you to audio heaven?”

Editado March 31, 2020 at 23:54 por pbanados

[brainwb 11]

On 3/31/2020 at 8:50 PM, pbanados said:

/S Me retracto de todo cuanto he dicho de estos parlantes, culpa del mi absoluta ignorancia, dado que, con como 40 años obsesionado por esto el audio, no aún no logro aquilatar qué es bueno o malo /S.  A quedado super claro por las opiniones de los super-audiófilos del foro que todos los reviewers de todo el mundo están comprados por la KEF (los otros cientos de anunciadores son super giles y se quedan impávidos viendo como les cagan todos sus productos con un parlante cagón, baratito). Ahora, claro, la KEF lo hace todo por debajo de la mesa, porque no les paga con anuncios, debe ser plata directo al bolsillo: Si dudan de esto (acuérdense que soy re mentiroso), por favor revisen uno por uno los links adjuntos a ver cuántos avisos de KEF pillan. Yo no veo ni uno solo...

Además, después de todo el billete que les pasan, les juegan chueco a KEF algunos. Imagínate que la Stereophile clasificó uno de los buques insignias dela marca, los Refefence 1, que pretenden vender en US$20.000, en clase B, cuando  a los LS50 los han tenido en clase A por 7 años ya...

Pero, nosotros gloriosos chilenos, vencedores y nunca vencidos, no nos dejamos engañar:  como todos habrán visto en otros hilos,  los parlantes son "ahí no más", tienen problemas de "ringing", y no importa lo bien que midan en los gráficos, suenan como las weas: apenas calificaban para las 500 Lucas que se venden usados (US$600), cuando la KEF pretendía pedir *exhorbitantes* US$1500 por ello al principio. 

A si que, como servicio de utilidad pública, preparé este pequeño compilado de reviews de los LS50 de todos estos vendidos que circulan por el mundo de las revistas y sitios web independientes. La paciencia me alcanzó como para una docena no más (tampoco para traducir), así que dejé por lo menos otros 30 afuera. Pero da una idea de lo corrupto de este mundo del hifi (¡hasta John Darko cayó en esto, como comprobarán!). Por suerte acá en Chile tenemos almas inmaculadas que no se dejan engañar: 

Algunos links de reviews a los KEF LS50 (links primero, extracto en el mismo orden abajo):

https://positive-feedback.com/Issue68/kef_ls50.htm

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-sam-tellig-may-2014

https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-stephen-mejias-june-2014

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/kef-ls50-loudspeaker/

https://www.whathifi.com/kef/ls50/review

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-audiophiliacs-speaker-of-the-year-the-kef-ls50/

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/kef-ls50-50th-anniversary-eidition

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-kef-ls50-speaker

https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/557-kef-ls50-loudspeakers

https://darko.audio/2013/07/kef-ls50-loudspeakers-w-three-budget-amplifiers/

https://audioplacebo.com/kef-ls50-review/

 

Extractos seleccionadps:

1. Positive Feedback

Mark Pearson (Julio, 2013):

“So how do the LS50s sound? In a word, stunning. I call these speakers the little "truth tellers" because that is exactly what they do. The midrange and highs are so pure you could be fooled into thinking you were listening to a pair of electrostatic speakers. The LS50s truly speak with a single voice. They also throw a very wide and deep soundstage where every instrument and singer is placed with precision upon the soundstage. Voices have to be heard to be believed and appreciated through these little gems.”

“I have been a proud owner of the Beatles BC-13 EMI Parlaphone LP collection for over 30 years (sometimes referred to as the Blue Box collection) and I can tell you that Beatles have never sounded better than when played through the LS50s. The voices of John, Paul, George, and Ringo just sound incredibly right. You also can quickly zero in on all of the studio tricks that were used by George Martin, especially with the very early LPs.”

“These tweeters are very sweet and delicate sounding while still retaining all of the dynamic characteristics that makes the upper partials of drums and cymbals sound so exciting and real. “

“You can pay far more money than the cost of the KEF LS50 speakers, but you may not buy the quality of sound that these speakers are capable of delivering at anywhere near their price point including a suitable pair of stands. “

“Whether you are buying your first system or your last system, the LS50s are faithful to the music and they will shine a light on the upstream components. The better your source material and your preamp/amp or integrated amp are, the better the LS50s will sound. Even at the full retail price of $1500, these are an incredible bargain. Highly recommended.”

 

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2. Stereophile

-John Atkinson (dic, 2012):

“It is a cliché to describe a minimonitor as "sounding larger than it looks," but that was the case with the LS50 once I'd optimized their setup.”

“the LS50's high frequencies sounded very clean, with no grain or steeliness. This is a high-quality tweeter.”

“I would go so far as to say that the LS50 is one of the finest speakers at reproducing female voices that I have heard—for less than what you can pay for a set of high-end interconnects!”

“Against the LS50 the Rogers sounded distinctly nasal-colored. There was more top-octave energy apparent than with the KEF, which added "air" rather than brightness, but also lent overcooked rock recordings a "spitty" edge. The LS50 sounded considerably more neutral than the vintage speakers in both the midrange and treble, with naturally recorded cymbals sounding less like textured white noise.”

“Classical orchestral, solo piano, and vocal recordings were better suited to the more neutrally balanced KEF, and rock to the B&W (CM5), with its more laid-back low treble and more extended low frequencies. On balance, I preferred the LS50.”

“It is rare to find a loudspeaker that offers this combination of clarity and neutrality. For KEF's LS50 Anniversary Model to do so for a penny under $1500/pair makes it even more remarkable. This thoroughbred both shows a clean pair of heels to the venerable LS3/5a and, within its limits of dynamic range and bass extension, will provide Class A sound for those with small rooms. Recommended. Highly.”

 

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3. Stereophile

-Sam Tellig (mayo, 2014):

“I found the LS50's tonality spot-on, more neutral than sweet. Soundstaging and imaging were top-notch. Definition was superb, ranking with the very best speakers at any price. I haven't had such great sound in my listening room since the departure of Quad's ESL-2805 electrostatics.”

 

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4. Stereophile

-Stephen Mejias (junio, 2014):

“LS50 loudspeaker ($1499.99/pair) was named Stereophile's Budget Product and Overall Component of the Year, marking the first time in 22 years of voting that any component had earned this strange double distinction. Consider the achievement: The former award is typically granted to products that provide outstanding value but may nevertheless exhibit some obvious, albeit carefully considered, compromise(s); the latter, loftier award is often won by cost-no-object, flagship designs that shun even the thought of compromise and inhabit only our wildest audiophile fantasies. It's unusual for an audio component to be both reasonably priced and unquestionably elite. The LS50 managed it.”

“Small and relatively affordable, the KEF LS50 stands proud among even the most magnificent company. In 13 years of working at Stereophile, I have not seen another component that offers such a radical combination of value and performance.”

“The first thing I noticed about the LS50's sound was the clarity with which it presented voices."

“The KEFs were far bolder, clearer, more musically explicit than any speakers I'd ever heard in my home, without exhibiting the slightest bit of unwarranted edge or aggression.

The kick drum suddenly emerged from nowhere, with just the right amount of impact and driving force. Lorde's voice was positioned suitably high and slightly forward in the mix, with eerily realistic presence, natural tone, and striking beauty. The imaging precision and soundstaging stability weren't the best I've heard—at demos by TAD, Vivid, Wilson Audio Specialties, and YG Acoustics—but were still remarkably good, and easily the best I've experienced at home.”

I got used to the KEF LS50s. But it wasn't until I replaced them with the Wharfedales that I really recognized and appreciated their brilliance…. the KEFs are in an altogether different league. With the LS50s in my system, there's just so much more to enjoy—more body, more beauty, more control, more music. “

 

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5. The Absolute Sound

-Neil Gader (julio, 2013):

“Sonically the LS50 doesn’t suggest the lighter, faster, and edgier personality of the average compact with a five-incher for a driver. This is an essentially neutral monitor throughout the mid-range. But there’s also a prevailing sweet- ness, a harmonic saturation that lends it a dark, velvety overall character, and a bloom that is so pleasing that I began affectionately dubbing it the butterscotch sundae of small monitors.”

“When listening to a variety of symphonic music I noted image focus was excellent, as I’d expected from a coincident driver. But it’s not hyper-focused. It provides a more spacious, open, and, in my view, authentic representation of an orchestra. Yes, the LS50 has quick transient reflexes, but that is not what grabbed my attention. Rather, it was its bloom and tonal weight. Heavens to Betsy, this little speaker has guts.”

“The mid- and upper-treble range is smooth; the sibilance region is controlled— crisp and clean, but with compliance. As I listened to the Bryn Terfel and Renée Fleming duet on “Not While I’m Around” from Under the Stars [Decca], I felt the physical presence of these superb singers, their voices seamlessly expressed. “

“The mid- and upper-treble range is smooth; the sibilance region is controlled— crisp and clean, but with compliance. As I listened to the Bryn Terfel and Renée Fleming duet on “Not While I’m Around” from Under the Stars [Decca], I felt the physical presence of these superb singers, their voices seamlessly expressed. “

“one of the most all-around-satisfying little speakers I’ve reviewed in some time. Construction and execution are exemplary. It delivers the kind of performance that deserves to be on a Wheaties box. And there’s an incalculable coolness factor that makes it a breath of fresh air. The LS50 also answers the classic question, “Who says you can’t teach an old box new tricks?”

 

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6. What Hi-fi? (oct,2012)

Best standmounter £400-£800, Awards 2013. Simply brilliant

“Given a little space to breathe and mounted on a pair of solid stands these monitors sound terrific. The first thing that strikes us is the quality of the bass performance.”

“Move up the frequency range and these KEFs continue to impress. Kate Bush’s vocals on 50 Words For Snow are as clear and articulate as you could wish for. These speakers communicate the energy and drive in a piece of music brilliantly.”

“Of course, the LS50’s innate transparency means that any flaws in the partnering kit will be apparent. But get it right and you have what is one of the best standmounters below £1000, and easily one of KEF’s most musical efforts in years.”

 

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7. C-NET

The Audiophiliac's speaker of the year: The KEF LS50

“the LS50s projected a massive sound field. Spatial depth and resolution of fine detail were exceptionally good, so when I played Muddy Waters' "Folk Singer" LP I didn't just hear Muddy and his band, I heard them playing within the acoustic of the recording studio, so the music was more believably alive. The LS50 communicates music's subtle dynamic shifts with rare precision, and that may be one of the reasons why it sounds so lifelike”

“It's one of the best small hi-fi speakers I've heard at any price.”

 

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8. Inner Fidelity:

Steve Guttemberg (nov, 2012)

“…with this recording's uncompressed album played back at (near) realistic levels the sound just about bowled me over. The drums and tuba rhythm section was unstoppable, and soundstage focus was razor sharp. I was present at the Chesky Records sessions for this album, "Dreams of New Orleans," so when I heard the LS50s reproduce not only the sound of the players, but also the church's acoustic they were playing in I knew these speakers could get the quietest, low-level room sounds just right. The brass' tonality was spot-on, downright luscious when they played sweet and mellow, and the hard-hitting transients were all there when the spirit demanded it.”

“voice and presence … were fully realized over the LS50s, she was there, all there. This woman inhabits the tunes, she's really expressing the feelings and emotions of the songs' lyrics. The LS50s' imaging again and again surprised me, the stage was broad, deep and spacious.”

"The soundstage extended beyond the actual locations of the speakers, and that open quality made it easy to forget about the speakers as point sources, they were gone! “

“…bass was tighter and punchier than the Harbeth P3ESR speakers I reviewed here on Inner Fidelity a few months ago. The clarity down there was superb, but it's not a forgiving speaker, feed the LS50s harsh and gritty recordings and they're going to sound harsh and gritty.”

“The players' pulse was so damn solid and loose at the same time it was impossible to sit still in my chair, the LS50 communicates rhythm and pace with rare skill.”

“Spatial density was extraordinary, and the LS50 decoded the intricacies with ease. The speakers sounded great at low, moderate and loud levels. I rarely crank the volume up, but the LS50s' freewheeling dynamics encouraged higher than average listening levels.”

“The LS50 is the best desktop speaker I've heard at home.”

 

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9. Sound & Vision

S&V Team

“Rarely has a compact mini-monitor of this size sounded so amazingly good like the LS50 from KEF.”

“PLUS: Glorious sound / Impeccable build and finish / Should cost a lot more.

MINUS: Don´t bother with the LS50 if the rest of your equipment isn´t up to snuff…”

“Like very few other speakers, the LS50 will be able to exactly and unequivocally make clear whether the sound engineer has done a good job in the studio or not. If the singer is slightly off center, it is the work of the sound engineer – the compact KEF LS50 hides no details. Toed-in and aligned straight at the listener, it gave us an extremely clean and focused center stage in our listening room.”

“The resolution of depth and width is extraordinary, voices sound natural and have exactly the right size and volume. Despite its small dimensions, the LS50 fills the listening room very convincingly with music. KEF's monitor speaker have an amazing stability to the sound and certainly has floorstander qualities - for a compact speaker with a 5.25 inch driver, this is more than remarkable. “

“KEF monitors inspire with their plasticity, spatial acuity and their firm and clean sound image with excellent detail resolution. A real loudspeaker super star which time after time can give you spine-tingling experiences, particularly with vocal performances. KEF LS50 pairs accuracy with enthusiasm - they are the ideal speakers to make any type of music into an event.”

“…a visually gorgeous speaker with equally glorious sound. Rarely has a compact mini-monitor of this size sounded so amazingly good like these speakers from KEF. And at this price - it´s and absolute recommendation!”

 

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10. SoundStageHifi

Doug Schneider (Abril 2013)

“My eyes opened wide, my mouth fell open, and my hands were immediately drawn to the speaker cables, to hook up the LS50s to a far less powerful, lower-cost amp: the Eximus S1 (125Wpc into 8 ohms, $2500). I wanted to find out if the unbelievably full, rich sound I was hearing had mostly to do with the Simaudio amp, or if I could replicate it with something that a $1500/pair minimonitor might actually be used with in the real world. Moments later, I had the answer: I could.”

“Part of their big sound had to do with how the LS50 projected soundwaves unencumbered by their cabinets, to lay out an enormous soundstage with recording after recording. They “disappeared” completely into those vast soundstages, giving no aural hint of their actual physical locations.”

“But what made the LS50 sound downright spectacular was its exceptional voicing throughout the audioband. It made this big-sounding little speaker sound so natural and real that I’m pretty sure it could give a number of much costlier speakers, stand-mounted and floorstanding, grief.”

“Buena Vista Social Club Presents Omara Portuondo (16/44.1 FLAC, Nonesuch) exploded into my room with a stage that went from here to there, and Portuondo’s voice was placed in the center of it in an extraordinarily lifelike way: tonally accurate, vividly positioned, richly textured, totally tangible, and completely authentic.”

“The LS50s’ re-creation of piano was shocking -- many large speakers have trouble doing this in a way that sounds wholly natural, and most small ones don’t stand a chance -- they often sound tinkly, like a child’s toy piano. The LS50s made Ola Gjeillo’s piano-based Stone Rose (16/44.1 FLAC, 2L) sound thundering and glorious in a way I thought no small speaker could ever. And if I had to describe in a single word the LS50s’ reproduction of Norika Ogawa’s recording of Mozart’s Piano Sonatas 10-12 (24/96 FLAC, BIS/eClassical.com), that word would be ‘pure’. Every keystroke was presented with a crystalline clarity that wasn’t only uncanny for the LS50s’ price, but for multiples of it.”

“The LS50’s sound, irrespective of price, was outstanding in my room: a wide-open soundfield; razor-sharp imaging; voluminous bass; soaring, clean highs; and a midband as natural as it was clear. Holy moly, this speaker sounded good -- and at a ridiculously low price.

The LS50 is nothing short of a masterpiece of a minimonitor, priced so that anyone serious about audio can buy a pair -- and probably should, if only to know how great a small speaker can be.”

 

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11. Darko Audio

John Darko

“In case you’re in any doubt (and as good as the X300A are) the LS50 outclass their powered siblings in almost every respect. The LS50 are warmer in the midrange, more inviting and enveloping and – with the right amplifier attached – FAR more dynamic. They sound simultaneously punctilious and suave. It’s the difference between a Jack + coke and a modestly priced single malt. Both can get you ripped but the latter takes one’s palette through more complex flavours."

“Perhaps the (wo)men in white coats at KEF’s development lab in Kent instead asked themselves: what might the LS3/5a sound like today?”

“Aside from Harbeth’s P3ESR, Spendor’s SA1 – a sealed design – are the least rock n roll in the aforelisted boxes and yet I’ve consistently name-checked them as my favourite in the sub-$3k standmount category because of their talents with imaging, tone and transparency (particularly with voices). This pick of the pops now shifts to KEF’s 50th birthday badboys.”

“The LS50’s top-end is as smooth as that of the Spendor SA1 but that’s pretty much where the similarities end. The LS50 release more upper-frequency air than the SA1 and the ATC SCM11 but not as much as the ProAc TR8 (which sizzles) or PMC DB1i (which sparkles). The rear-ported KEF isn’t transmission line like the DB1i but bass goes considerably deeper than even the PMC. Bass integration is also better on the KEF.”

“Nothing images like a ProAc? The LS50 do – that’s ‘Uni-Q’ coaxial magic at work. Music emanates from a space between and behind the speakers, seemingly physically disconnected from the boxes spinning the aural illusion.”

“Excitement and dynamics are more up in yr grill with the LS50 than the Spendor SA1 – they present closer to the PMC DB1i’s “where’s the party?” vibe without giving up anything in the midrange transparency department. There’s also some of the tonal fatness that I enjoy in the ATC SCM 11. Good news too on the mid bass hump front: on the LS50 there isn’t one."

“In short: KEF have designed the ultimate all-rounder, go-anywhere-do-anything standmount loudspeaker.”

 

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12. Audio Placebo

AudioPlacebo staff (2019)

“…there’s no doubt that KEF LS50 is a fantastic monitor speaker. It’s capable of bringing that ‘soundstage feel’ straight to your living room. Buying a KEF LS50 bookshelf speakers would mean taking your listening experience to a whole new level… these speakers are gonna show you a new world of audio that you never knew existed. They’re gonna provide you with super-rich sound, a kind that you probably haven’t have the pleasure to hear before”

“The bass is deep and powerful, which is rather surprising considering that the sound is coming from such a small set of speakers. But, the size apparently does not matter. At least in the case of KEF LS50, which are capable of creating bone-shaking bass, which still does not steal the show entirely. Instead, it keeps everything in balance. And that means that the mids and highs also sound perfect. The vocals are incredibly accurate, without absolutely no distortions.”

“Fantastic sound – If you’ve used only budget speakers so far, you’re gonna be shocked by the quality of sound created by KEF LS50. The performances of these bookshelf speakers are fantastic, regardless of the frequency. And considering their pretty small size, it’s really shocking that the bass they create is so impressive.”

“Of course, as you’ve probably figured out already, our absolute favorite is KEF LS50. It has everything you may ask from bookshelf speakers.”

“When it comes to KEF LS50, it’s not just about the longevity. It’s actually more about the sound quality these speakers can produce. You can be sure that no cheap bookshelf speakers can provide you with such high audio performances as KEF LS50!”

“So, if the music plays an important role in your life, why not treat yourself with a pair of bookshelf speakers that will take you to audio heaven?”

pero entonces es ironía cierto? los parlantes son buenos?
y te cuento:
tengo un ampli vicnent sp-331 mk y un pre amp vincent sa-31mk, buen pre y buen power, los tengo a unas torres polk lsim 705, que me gustan, pero quiero hacer un cambio a algo más pequeño que pueda alejar de las manos de mi nuevo bebe. y había pensado en estos ls50..  que dices?

[brainwb 11]

y otra duda! vale la pena usar un sub woofer con los ls50?

[fabian ramirez 690]

La experiencia dice que si..!! 

[pbanados 930]

On 14-04-2020 at 13:16, brainwb dijo:

pero entonces es ironía cierto? los parlantes son buenos?
y te cuento:
tengo un ampli vicnent sp-331 mk y un pre amp vincent sa-31mk, buen pre y buen power, los tengo a unas torres polk lsim 705, que me gustan, pero quiero hacer un cambio a algo más pequeño que pueda alejar de las manos de mi nuevo bebe. y había pensado en estos ls50..  que dices?

Yo encuentro que son extraordinarias, y sigo sosteniendo que con un SW decente (ej: KEF Kube 8b), no hay nada por menos de 3 millones que le compita. Pero varios foreros -y uno en especial, que no lo nombro para que no me borren el mensaje- sostienen que tengo oído de tarro y no tengo idea de qué es bueno, por lo que te recomendaría probarlas primero, ojalá en tu casa y tu equipo (son muy acusetes de las falencias de la cadena). Ahora, si el billete te lo permite, por supuesto que hay mejores (eso es lo que un tipo del foro no puede o no quiere entender de lo que escribo).

No las juzgues por cómo suenan en Music World: esa tienda es baratieri, pero es un verdadero desastre como suenan las todas las cosas allá (cuando las estaba vitrineando, las descarté por ello -sonaban horrible en la tienda-. Luego alguien me las prestó, y no salieron más de mi casa). Otra recomendación: estas cajas son especialmente sensibles al lugar donde las pongas: si o si arriba de pedestales (el cono a la altura de tus orejas), a no más de 2.5 mts del punto de escucha (idealmente en triángulo equilátero), y en lo posible lo más separado que se pueda de las paredes laterales y del fondo (o sea, como los monitores que son).

Otro punto: siempre se comenta que son cajas para espacios chicos. No es mi experiencia, mi sala es relativamente grande (unos 40-45 m2), y a menos que quiera pelearme con toda la familia por el volumen al borde de lo insoportable, no encuentro que le falte "escala". Quizás algo en tuttis orquestales... pero solo cuando las usas sin sub-woofer. 

[brainwb 11]

1 hour ago, pbanados said:

Yo encuentro que son extraordinarias, y sigo sosteniendo que con un SW decente (ej: KEF Kube 8b), no hay nada por menos de 3 millones que le compita. Pero varios foreros -y uno en especial, que no lo nombro para que no me borren el mensaje- sostienen que tengo oído de tarro y no tengo idea de qué es bueno, por lo que te recomendaría probarlas primero, ojalá en tu casa y tu equipo (son muy acusetes de las falencias de la cadena). Ahora, si el billete te lo permite, por supuesto que hay mejores (eso es lo que un tipo del foro no puede o no quiere entender de lo que escribo).

No las juzgues por cómo suenan en Music World: esa tienda es baratieri, pero es un verdadero desastre como suenan las todas las cosas allá (cuando las estaba vitrineando, las descarté por ello -sonaban horrible en la tienda-. Luego alguien me las prestó, y no salieron más de mi casa). Otra recomendación: estas cajas son especialmente sensibles al lugar donde las pongas: si o si arriba de pedestales (el cono a la altura de tus orejas), a no más de 2.5 mts del punto de escucha (idealmente en triángulo equilátero), y en lo posible lo más separado que se pueda de las paredes laterales y del fondo (o sea, como los monitores que son).

Otro punto: siempre se comenta que son cajas para espacios chicos. No es mi experiencia, mi sala es relativamente grande (unos 40-45 m2), y a menos que quiera pelearme con toda la familia por el volumen al borde de lo insoportable, no encuentro que le falte "escala". Quizás algo en tuttis orquestales... pero solo cuando las usas sin sub-woofer. 

jaja no lo tomes personal.. en gustos no hay nada escrito, puede ser que a él no le gusten y tenga la suerte de ser un orador muy elocuente, por lo que su discurso posee una lógica difícil de debatir y es frustrarte comunicarle lo contrario, pero piensa que Hitler también lo era :-).
las escuché en MW hoy jaja efectivamente no me convencieron totalmente, pero también pensé que era la ubicación en la tienda y la tonelada de ruido exterior que entraba, por que sonaban muuy rapidas y definidas, pero faltaban muchos sonidos.. por lo que culpo al ruido exterior..
Lo que si me deja un pelo inquieto es lo de 2.5 metros de distancia, son para mi living (adjunto foto) y la distancia deben ser entre 2.5 y 3 metros, un poco más de lo que señalas. Quizás mejor no me deshago de las lsim705.

Saludos y gracias!!!

[morrison91 177]

hace 52 minutos, brainwb dijo:

jaja no lo tomes personal.. en gustos no hay nada escrito, puede ser que a él no le gusten y tenga la suerte de ser un orador muy elocuente, por lo que su discurso posee una lógica difícil de debatir y es frustrarte comunicarle lo contrario, pero piensa que Hitler también lo era :-).
las escuché en MW hoy jaja efectivamente no me convencieron totalmente, pero también pensé que era la ubicación en la tienda y la tonelada de ruido exterior que entraba, por que sonaban muuy rapidas y definidas, pero faltaban muchos sonidos.. por lo que culpo al ruido exterior..
Lo que si me deja un pelo inquieto es lo de 2.5 metros de distancia, son para mi living (adjunto foto) y la distancia deben ser entre 2.5 y 3 metros, un poco más de lo que señalas. Quizás mejor no me deshago de las lsim705.

Saludos y gracias!!!

Estimado @brainwb por acá otro Kef Lovers si tienes la posibilidad de escuchar las LS50 en tu casa seria genial.

yo las tengo instaladas en un mi living de 3x3 y no siento que le falten bajos..pero como dice el forero @pbanados con un subwoofer deben sonar sublimes...

 

 

[brainwb 11]

3 minutes ago, morrison91 said:

Estimado @brainwb por acá otro Kef Lovers si tienes la posibilidad de escuchar las LS50 en tu casa seria genial.

yo las tengo instaladas en un mi living de 3x3 y no siento que le falten bajos..pero como dice el forero @pbanados con un subwoofer deben sonar sublimes...

 

 

y la verdad es que no tengo la opción de escucharlas en casa.. así que sería piscinazo la cosa, de todas maneras no creo que me equivoque por mucho.. las torres que tengo ahora suenan bien, pero solo cuando las escucho con volumen alto y ya las tengo hace 3 o  4 años, va a valer la pena cambiarlas por otro buen parlante para escuchar la música desde otra vereda, siempre es entretenido escuchar música con otras cajas.
saludos y gracias por el tiempo y responder!!!

[gonzack 86]

hace 2 horas, brainwb dijo:

y la verdad es que no tengo la opción de escucharlas en casa.. así que sería piscinazo la cosa, de todas maneras no creo que me equivoque por mucho.. las torres que tengo ahora suenan bien, pero solo cuando las escucho con volumen alto y ya las tengo hace 3 o  4 años, va a valer la pena cambiarlas por otro buen parlante para escuchar la música desde otra vereda, siempre es entretenido escuchar música con otras cajas.
saludos y gracias por el tiempo y responder!!!

Juégatela no mas!! son fantásticas,  tanto asi que las tengo hace 2 años y medio y deje de buscar mas parlantes (por el momento)

[ocj 163]

Dudas referentes al precio. El de MW es el real o está inflado? En qué rango se mueven de segunda mano??

[pbanados 930]

hace 8 horas, brainwb dijo:

jaja no lo tomes personal.. en gustos no hay nada escrito, puede ser que a él no le gusten y tenga la suerte de ser un orador muy elocuente, por lo que su discurso posee una lógica difícil de debatir y es frustrarte comunicarle lo contrario, pero piensa que Hitler también lo era :-).
las escuché en MW hoy jaja efectivamente no me convencieron totalmente, pero también pensé que era la ubicación en la tienda y la tonelada de ruido exterior que entraba, por que sonaban muuy rapidas y definidas, pero faltaban muchos sonidos.. por lo que culpo al ruido exterior..
Lo que si me deja un pelo inquieto es lo de 2.5 metros de distancia, son para mi living (adjunto foto) y la distancia deben ser entre 2.5 y 3 metros, un poco más de lo que señalas. Quizás mejor no me deshago de las lsim705.

Saludos y gracias!!!

Creo que te pueden quedar re bien si las pones un poco más adelante y en pedestales (bien firmes, ojalá rellenos con arena), un pelo más juntas (separándolas de la esquina), pero no encajonadas en el nicho como están tus columnas ahora. O sea, cuando no escuchas en serio está ok, pero cuando quieres meterte en el cuento, las sacas más afuera. La idea es que tengan "aire" alrededor, y minimizar las reflexiones cercanas de muros y piso, que ensucian el sonido.

Lo otro sería una alfombra o algo similar que evite exceso de reflexiones en el piso, que al parecer es cerámico. Y el silloncito para escuchar, más o menos desde donde tomaste la foto. La gracia de ponerlas así es aprovechar la imagen y profundidad que proyectan estas cajas, quizás lo más notable de ellas. Respecto del SW, con uno enano andarías bien, por el tamaño de la sala. Uno chico que probé y que andaba la raja (mejor que el KEF que tengo ahora) es el REL T-Zero, pero nadie trae esa marca creo. En todo caso, que sea infinito (sellado, sin boca reflex como los de cine) y apretado, no fofo.

Yo las separé a poco más de tres metros hace unos días, y disminuyó la especialidad de la escena sonora. Volví a los 2.4-2.5 mts que las tengo habitualmente. El Sw está detrás del sillón, cerca del equipo, algo se asoma en la foto. Cuando hay visitas las corro pegadas al librero.

 

Sobre el precio: se han vendido últimamente en 550 -650 lucas, pero no duran nada. Originalmente valían US$1500 en USA, aunque ahora se venden allá en aproximadamente US1000-1100. El precio de MW está bastante barato entonces, te saldría harto más caro importarlas.

[Walter 18]

Alguien ya se desenamoro de las LS50. Compro

[Albocan 14]

Yo le creo tanto a la buena experiencia que tiene @pbanados que las quería para mi pequeño living. Eran mi primera opción, pero lamentablemente, no cabían en el mueble donde las quería poner. Quizás, cuando me cambie de depto a uno más grande, vaya por ellas y compruebe en directo sus bondades como parlantes.

On 16/4/2020 at 0:08, pbanados dijo:

Creo que te pueden quedar re bien si las pones un poco más adelante y en pedestales (bien firmes, ojalá rellenos con arena), un pelo más juntas (separándolas de la esquina), pero no encajonadas en el nicho como están tus columnas ahora. O sea, cuando no escuchas en serio está ok, pero cuando quieres meterte en el cuento, las sacas más afuera. La idea es que tengan "aire" alrededor, y minimizar las reflexiones cercanas de muros y piso, que ensucian el sonido.

Lo otro sería una alfombra o algo similar que evite exceso de reflexiones en el piso, que al parecer es cerámico. Y el silloncito para escuchar, más o menos desde donde tomaste la foto. La gracia de ponerlas así es aprovechar la imagen y profundidad que proyectan estas cajas, quizás lo más notable de ellas. Respecto del SW, con uno enano andarías bien, por el tamaño de la sala. Uno chico que probé y que andaba la raja (mejor que el KEF que tengo ahora) es el REL T-Zero, pero nadie trae esa marca creo. En todo caso, que sea infinito (sellado, sin boca reflex como los de cine) y apretado, no fofo.

Yo las separé a poco más de tres metros hace unos días, y disminuyó la especialidad de la escena sonora. Volví a los 2.4-2.5 mts que las tengo habitualmente. El Sw está detrás del sillón, cerca del equipo, algo se asoma en la foto. Cuando hay visitas las corro pegadas al librero.

 

Sobre el precio: se han vendido últimamente en 550 -650 lucas, pero no duran nada. Originalmente valían US$1500 en USA, aunque ahora se venden allá en aproximadamente US1000-1100. El precio de MW está bastante barato entonces, te saldría harto más caro importarlas.

 

[Bozon 687]

Dejaré esto por aquí y me retiraré rápidamente:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kef-ls50-bookshelf-speaker-review.11144/

(About LS50)

Really, really informal listening tests
I had just listened to the Harbeth M30 speakers so I thought I swap the two and listen to the same tracks. Well, this (LS50) was a let down. There was no bass to speak of. Turning up the volume resulted in distortion as I could visibly see the little woofer trying to keep up. Definitely not a good choice for a large space. A subwoofer with proper EQ is well advised. Overall, I could not get excited over the sound I was getting.

Parece que nuestro amigo Amir y yo escuchamos igual. LS50 = puro hype, poco sonido....

[gustavo 134]

He escuchado solo dos veces las LS50, las dos en MW, y me parecieron fabulosas. Difícil evaluarles el bajo, porque son monitores, y su desempeño dependerá mucho del tamaño de la sala, la posición, etc. y ni hablar de la electrónica, es decir obviamente es algo determinante en el sonido también. Pero su nivel de transparencia en agudos y medios que tiraban con la electrónica que tenían (marantz) era sobrecogedor. Ahora como son respecto a la competencia, no podría decirlo basado en solo dos escuchas.  Feliz tendría unas. Nadie me las quiere regalar?

[pbanados 930]

On 12-05-2020 at 18:29, Bozon dijo:

Dejaré esto por aquí y me retiraré rápidamente:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kef-ls50-bookshelf-speaker-review.11144/

(About LS50)

Really, really informal listening tests
I had just listened to the Harbeth M30 speakers so I thought I swap the two and listen to the same tracks. Well, this (LS50) was a let down. There was no bass to speak of. Turning up the volume resulted in distortion as I could visibly see the little woofer trying to keep up. Definitely not a good choice for a large space. A subwoofer with proper EQ is well advised. Overall, I could not get excited over the sound I was getting.

Parece que nuestro amigo Amir y yo escuchamos igual. LS50 = puro hype, poco sonido....

Parece q no escucha tan "igual" que tú: el parlante q tu encuentras que es "el deal la década" lo dejó litaralmente calificado como un verdadero water.

He escuchado extensamente el excelente monitor 30, y habría q ser imbécil para pretender que un parlante de 6 litros de volumen y una fracción del precio como el LS50 lo podría igualar. Igual como un bmw serie 3 no iguala a un lamborghini... en algunos aspectos.

Que bueno q encontraste UNA mala review del LS50: el recuento va +- 50:1 entre buenas y malas. A juzgar por la efusividad de los otros 50 (profesionales q se ganan la vida en esto, no aficionados) ellos sí podrían postulan en serio, y en forma bastante más objetiva,  que el LS50 sí es candidato "al deal de la década".

[bastianpp 62]

Yo en lo personal no me gustaron para nada las LS50, de hecho me hicieron alejarme bastante tiempo de las cajas, por el precio no me gustaron para nada.

Cuando escuche Kef por primera vez ( las LS50 ) lo encontre hiper fome, ese bajo parecia de cajas de 200 lucas, 0 extensión de bajo no caché porq valia 1 palo si en resolución la tenia tan fácil.... y tampoco es que pareciera electroestatico dada su brutal resolución o algo, es mucho mas fácil mostrar cosas como una buena imagen,  transparencia y detalles con esa falta de bajo.

En mi opinion si o si le falta un woofer bueno, ese driver es bueno pa medios y agudos no para bajo. No sé porq las encuentran tan buenas, es como  escuchar unas cajas con un agudo malisimo pero decir que no te gusta mucho el agudo y decirles que entonces son las top mundial por que te da igual el detalle ? hmm nop no me convence.

Editado June 29, 2020 at 20:09 por bastianpp

[pbanados 930]

hace 8 minutos, bastianpp dijo:

Yo en lo personal no me gustaron para nada las LS50, de hecho me hicieron alejarme bastante tiempo de las cajas, por el precio no me gustaron para nada.

Cuando escuche Kef por primera vez ( las LS50 ) lo encontre hiper fome, ese bajo parecia de cajas de 200 lucas, 0 extensión de bajo no caché porq valia 1 palo si en resolución la tenia tan fácil.... y tampoco es que pareciera electroestatico dada su brutal resolución o algo, es mucho mas fácil mostrar cosas como una buena imagen,  transparencia y detalles con esa falta de bajo.

 

 

Bueno, me pasó lo mismo las tres veces q fui a escucharlas a MW: no podía creer lo mal que sonaban allí. Ojalá puedas escucharlas en un lugar apropiado, bien localizadas, y con la amplificación adecuada. En todo caso, ese es la gracia del audio: hay para todos los gustos.

Editado June 29, 2020 at 20:14 por pbanados