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On 13/9/2015 at 11:29, Alberto dijo:

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General Overview
- Vinyl Quality. Most audiophile LPs are now released on vinyl weighing either 180 grams ('180g') or 200 grams ('200g') and are denoted as such to indicate the greater quality of the vinyl used, often being 'virgin vinyl' meaning purer vinyl is used rather than the recycled plastics used in the production of standard LPs. A result of the greater quality and weight of the vinyl is usually lower surface noise and less cross talk. Please note: earlier audiophile LPs (including those from MFSL, Nautilus, Nimbus Supercut, etc.) were released on standard weight vinyl, but the quality of the vinyl used was very pure and as such, the quality of the sound on these releases is as good - or in some cases better, than the quality of newer releases. Furthermore, heavier vinyl arguably has a longer life and can withstand repeated plays more than the cheaper, less pure vinyl used on standard LPs.
- Original Master Tapes. Audiophile records are often mastered from the original tapes that were used to record the album in the studio or live. This is in contrast to many standard LPs which are mastered from sixth, seventh or even eight generation copies or dupes. With each successive copy sounding less like the original tapes and losing something in the copying process, mastering from the original tapes means that the sound of the resulting record will be as close as possible to the sound of the original tapes and thus as close as possible to the experience of actually being there during the original recording. Many audiophile records are mastered from the original tapes and clearly state this on the record, for example, Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL) releases are all labeled 'Original Master Recording' to make this as clear as possible!
- Half Speed Mastering. Half speed mastering refers to the speed of mastering the original recording onto the master lacquer, which is then used to make the masters that press each LP. Many standard LPs are mastered at standard speed, which means that the master tape moves at the same speed as the original recording session and the master lacquer moves at 33 13 rpm. In contrast, it is also possible to run each of these machines at half speed. As a result, there is twice as much time for the cutting stylus to cut every possible detail and delicate groove modulation, resulting in LPs where you can hear details and nuances on your favourite albums that you never heard before. Furthermore, mastering at half speed uses less power and as a result the cutting head amplifiers use only one fourth as much power, resulting in much greater head room, better dynamic range, frequency response and lower distortion. This is another reason why resulting audiophile LPs can sound much closer to the sound of the original recording in comparison to standard LPs.
- Mastering Process. Audiophile LPs are produced with much greater care and consideration at every stage of the mastering process. Some labels clearly state a special feature of their mastering process. For example, Classic Records use tube amplification in every stage of their mastering process, following the logic that tubes sound warmer and less clinical than transistors and as such, the resulting LPs should follow suit. In many cases, mastering engineers may have to work with master tapes that are damaged or which need level adjustments to compensate for deterioration.. It is an art to do this and to still achieve a sound as close as possible to that of the original recording. In some cases, there will be master recording notes to work with, but damage to a recording tape over time can mean that some albums take considerable time to master properly. In any case, there are some clear cases of significant improvements in sound from some audiophile LPs when compared to original pressings, for example with Carole King's Tapestry from Classic Records, which sounds much more realistic and less 'EQ'd' than standard original pressings. There are some mastering engineers who have achieved small celebrity status for the quality of their mastered albums, for example Steve Hoffman and Bernie Grundman.
- 45rpm, One-Sided LPs, etc. Many audiophile labels have recently released some LPs which are playable at 45rpm. This is an extension of the logic used for mastering at half speed. Mastering an LP at 45rpm rather than 33rpm gives a greater groove length in which to press x period of music, which should arguably result in greater detail and resolution. One sided masters follow similar logic, with the suggestion that this results in one perfect playing surface.
- Direct to Disc. Some audiophile LPs were released using this process, which means that the pressing is made live, with the signal from the session going through to the cutting lathe. The logic behind this approach is that the resulting recording should be devoid of the limitations of a recording medium and should have low distortion, excellent dynamic range and the widest possible frequency response. However, the practicalities of this approach have meant that these releases tend to be solo performers and are of the majority jazz albums. Furthermore, modern digital and 'lossless' recording techniques on newer albums mean that the benefits of this approach are arguably less important now.
- Original artwork, labels, and inclusions. Most audiophile LPs include where possible accurate reproductions of the original cover art, LP labels and any other inclusions which were included at the time of the original release. Such dedication allows you to enjoy the record as if you were buying it for the first time again, but with the advantages of the better mastering.
- Poly-lined inner sleeves. Most standard LPs are packaged using cheap paper sleeves, or in worst cases cardboard sleeves, which can scratch and scuff the vinyl when removing and replacing it before and after play. In contrast, most audiophile LPs are packaged with poly lined inner sleeves, which include a sheet of poly lining to protect the vinyl from getting damaged and for safer storage. Mofi refer to their version of these as 'rice paper inner sleeves', which are also now available in packs of 10, 25 and 50 in store so that you can replace cheap inner sleeves with these superior replacements.

Audiophile Labels
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL or Mofi) was one of the first companies to release audiophile records in the late 1970s. Denoted as 'Original Master Recording' due to the mastering from the original tapes at half speed, Mobile Fidelity went through several periods as a company, which is reflected in the dates of their releases. However, the philosophy of releasing the best possible sounding releases has remained, as has the company's dedication to presenting luxury packages that include original album artwork and sleeve notes wherever possible.
The earlier releases from the 1970s and 1980s, were pressed on 'super vinyl', which was standard weight (as most audiophile releases during the period were), but was an extremely pure vinyl produced by JVC in Japan, so pure infact that it is translucent when held to the light and feature 'an extraordinarily quiet playing surface, extreme durability and a lifespan many times exceeding conventional pressings'. In 1979, Mofi released their LP master of Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon' which was a huge seller and became the benchmark hi-fi system test LP for years to come. Following this release, Mofi started to release further releases from 1980 onward. These earlier pressings have some of the most quiet surfaces available of any audiophile LPs. In fact, many near mint and mint examples have next to no surface noise and the level of resolution is incredible. Many releases from this period often sell for high sums second hand, but they are still usually the best sounding releases of the album in question available and likely to rise in value in future, thus also being an investment to some buyers. These releases were mastered by Stan Ricker and Jack Hunt.
Mofi also released three now legendary LP box sets. The first released in 1982, 'The Beatles Collection' is legendary as being the best sounding release of the fab four's albums ever available. The second released in 1983 was 'Sinatra, a collection of his best albums from the Capital label years. The third released in 1984, the 'Rolling Stones Collection' was a collection of their first albums, none of which was released separately (only 'Some Girl's and 'Sticky Fingers' - two of their later albums, were released separately by Mofi). Each box collection is expensive to obtain, but are worth every penny and are arguably three of the best audiophile collections ever released and were all individually numbered. These box sets also included the 'Geodisc' which is arguably one of the best cartridge alignment tools available, but is now available from Mofi and is in store. During this period, they also released several UHQR (Ultra High Quality Records) titles which were pressed on 200 gram (200g) vinyl and marketed as sounding better than their standard counterparts. They also released some cassettes during this period using the same mastering processes, but these are rarer and arguably less desirable now than the LP releases.
The next wave of releases came in 1994 and were referred to as the 'Anadisq' series. These used a different vinyl compound and were released on heavy 200 gram (200g) weight vinyl and mastered using the 'Gain system'. These releases were also all individually numbered.
The original company folded in 1999, but was resurrected by Music Direct and is now releasing audiophile LPs and CDs again. Its debatable whether the newer LP releases equal the quality of the earlier releases, but the company still follows the same 'Original Master Recording' philosophy. These newer releases are mostly released on 180 gram (180g) weight vinyl and include some 45rpm releases.
Classic Records
Classic Records are a recent US audiophile label dedicated to producing high quality new LP pressings. Each release is mastered at half speed from the original master tapes using an 'all-analog mastering process' which also uses tube amplification at every stage of the mastering process. The majority of their releases are pressed on high quality 200 gram (200g) weight vinyl, which has virtually no surface noise and sonically superior dynamics. Classic Records are also highly dedicated to releasing each album with the original artwork, LP labels and any other materials which were included with original pressings. Their dedication to this is shown in the quality of the each release, with albums having thick, heavy duty sleeves, and many being presented exactly how they were when originally released. For example, Led Zeppelin's III has the original wheel cover, 'In Through the Out Door' includes the brown paper bag cover and booklet, The Who's 'Tommy' includes the original booklet and tri-fold sleeve. In short, Classic Records have aimed for each release to be a sensory experience, and as close to the experience of buying the original LP as possible. As a result, their releases allow you to enjoy the experience of buying your favourite albums over again, being in sight and touch exact replicas of their original counterparts, but with the advantage of the quality of the LP included, which in many cases far succeeds the quality of the standard LP release.
Classic Records are critically acclaimed for the sound and presentation of their releases, many of which are now considered to be the definitive releases. These include the Led Zeppelin catalog, which sound of which is breathtaking, The Who catalog, and many more. They are also due to release the Beatles catalog in late 2007 or 2008 - so we will get to enjoy these albums once more and see if they equal or exceed the quality of the Mobile Fidelity releases!
Nimbus Supercut
Nimbus Records have achieved somewhat of a legendary status within the audiophile circle for their 'Supercut' releases, which were only available by mail order through the Hi-fi magazines 'Practical Hi-fi' and 'Hi-fi Today' in the early 1980s. Nimbus mastered each release from the original master tapes using the best available mastering processes. Infact, Nimbus employed many techniques for each release that were not commonly used. For example, generally when bass moves from channel to channel on an LP, groove modulation is employed to reduce the movement of the stylus and this results in this bass being centered more over both channels. Most audiophiles would argue that this - and in fact anything, which changes the original recording should be avoided although this is common practice on most LPs. For example, the release of 'Joan Armatrading' had bass moving from channel to channel in several places, but Nimbus did not limit this, resulting in an outstanding pressing. Nimbus also had the ICI company produce an extremely pure vinyl for the LPs, which has amazing frequency reproduction and is virtually noise free - similar in quality to the 'super vinyl' used on earlier Mofi pressings. Due to their rarity and small pressing quantities, they are often more expensive than audiophile LPs from other labels, but the sums paid can be justified by the outstanding quality of the pressings and the fact that they tend to rise in value over time and as such are deemed as investments by some audiophiles. Other releases included Pink Floyd's 'Wish You Were Here', Beatles 'Sgt Pepper' and Wings 'Band on the Run' and many other excellent titles.
Nautilus
At a similar time to the original Mofi LP releases, Nautilus released a comparatively smaller - though excellently mastered number of audiophile LPs in their 'Superdisc' series. Most of these were mastered at half-speed and pressed on high quality standard weight vinyl. These are also rare releases and were released in limited quantities. Nautilus also released some direct to disc releases.
CBS Mastersound
This label released a large range of half speed mastered LPs during the 1980s, all mastered on excellent quality vinyl and using the best available mastering techniques. These releases also include a 'CBS Mastersound Information Sheet' (where still included), detailing the mastering processes used. These releases are arguably sonically equal to many of the earlier Mofi releases, but often do not command such high sums and as such are usually quite a bargain. The exceptions are for some of the releases which are outstanding such as Pink Floyd's 'Wish You Were Here'.
Sheffield Lab
This label released a range of audiophile LPs during the 1980s, many of which were mastered direct to disc. We sometimes have these titles available, but they are quite rare and tend to be more obscure jazz titles.
Pure Pleasure
Pure Pleasure are quickly gaining an excellent reputation for releasing excellent sounding jazz and blues releases on 180 gram (180g) vinyl, many of which are mastered from the original master tapes.
Sundazed
Sundazed are dedicated to releasing older rock, folk and psychedelic albums, which have included much of the Bob Dylan catalog (in original mono), the Byrds catalog (also original mono) and many more. Each release also includes faithful reproductions of original artwork and LP labels and are pressed on high quality 180 gram (180g) weight vinyl. The Bob Dylan releases are arguably the best sounding versions of these albums available, each having a much fresher sound than on standard pressings - which in some cases can be surprising, for example with 'Highway 61 Revisited', on which 'Like a Rolling Stone' sounds much fresher than most other versions available. See our current range of Sundazed LPs available.
Warner/R.T.I.
These releases are mastered at half speed, often by some celebrity mastering engineers, including Stan Ricker - who mastered many of the earlier Mofi LPs. They are pressed on high quality 180 gram (180g) weight vinyl and are always presented with high quality thick artwork sleeves and LP labels. See our current range of R.T.I. LPs available.
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Otros sellos:
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Algunos de los sellos mencionados arriba no los conozco, pero están documentados en las guías de Ebay. Soy bastante desconfiado en general (me gustaría traspasarles este escepticismo a la hora de comprar discos) y trato de hacer una pequeña búsqueda para confirmar si son efectivamente "todo análogo".
Otra información que se puede recopilar es sobre las plantas de prensado. Conociendo la forma de operar de estas plantas, se puede confirmar si el proceso es todo análogo o no. Nota aparte y no están incluídos en esta guía son las ediciones en vinilo de sellos independientes que provienen originalmente de fuentes digitales. No tengo nada en contra de estas ediciones. El punto es otro.

SELLOS A EVITAR
Artículo original del infaltable Mike Fremer . El no es enemigo de las ediciones a partir de una digitalazación de buena calidad. Como expongo más arriba, a veces es necesario para rescatar una cinta original en mal estado.: http://www.analogpla...Q2bofADV6qrf.97
Call me crazy (and you wouldn't be the first!) but when I spend $25 or $50 on a 180 gram reissue, I want to know the source used and who did the cutting, plating and pressing. Don't you? But we don't get that vital information as often as we'd like, do we?
We do get it from certain labels, like Mobile Fidelity, ORG, ORG Music, Analogue Productions, Music Matters, IMPEX, Mosaic, Rhino, Pure Pleasure, Speakers Corner, Reference Recordings, more recently Sony/Legacy and probably a few others I can't recall off the top of my head. I'm not good with lists.
Sometimes we get slightly fudged information. LIke the original reissues of the Tom Waits Elektra albums Rhino issued that were stickered "cut from the original analog master tapes" when in fact, they'd been "cut" by Ron McMaster at Capitol from 96/24 files (per Tom's instructions) produced from the original master tapes. These were all defective, with no top end above around 6kHz due to a screw-up somewhere along the line.
The albums were subsequently re-cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, this time using the analog master tapes, and they sound fantastic. The point is, you can't even necessarily believe what you read on the jacket! "Sourced from" does not necessarily mean "cut from."
Other times you get part of the story, the most important part of which is, was the original master tape the source of whatever was used to do the cutting—whether a high resolution (96/24) digital file or a 1:1 analog copy of the master, which is what some labels have to use if the tape's owner refuses to let it out the tape vault door.
If you buy from Sundazed, for instance, you can be assured that the original tape was used as the source, because Sundazed's Bob Irwin, who has worked for Sony's Legacy division for years producing CD reissues, is very focused on using masters. But there's no guaranty the LP was actually cut from the tape because Sundazed doesn't specify who cut and from what.
Often you can see a "WG/NRP" on the inner groove area, which means "Wes Garland at Nashville Record Productions" did the cutting even though the credits say "mastered by Bob Irwin". That could mean Bob took the master tape, did his thing, produced a 96/24 file and had Wes Garland cut from that, or that he went with the tape to NRP and cut from analog (assuming NRP has a preview head equipped playback deck), but sometimes there's nothing written in the Sundazed "deadwax", which leaves buyers with not a clue as to who did the all important lacquer cut and where it was cut, which is equally important: a mastering chain is like a hi-fi system in reverse. If you don't like the hi-fi, you won't like the sound.
The Netherlands based Music on Vinyl label issues some albums cut from analog sources but mostly from high resolution files sourced from masters that they obtain directly from the labels (at least based on my experience). 4 Men With Beards? I have no idea.
But still other times you get nothing, yet you're asked to plunk down big bucks for these reissues. There are certain labels I urge you to avoid. These include Doxy (not Sonny Rollins' label—apparently there's another one using the same name), ZYX from Germany, Vinyl Lovers, Simply Vinyl and Abraxas
I was in Greece a few years ago visiting a Stereophlle reader who'd invited me over to hear his stereo—one of the best, if not the best I've ever heard. A Sarah Vaughn fan, he played me a "greatest hits" album from ZYX that had been culled from Sarah's later Pablo catalog. Pablo was a Norman Granz label (Granz founded Verve among other labels) that used top engineers and the RCA vinyl infrastructure to process its albums and what this guy was playing me sounded wrong.
We later went used record shopping in Athens and I found an original Pablo Sarah Vaughn for a few bucks in near mint condition. At least one track on it was on the ZYX reissue. We compared and the difference was so great, we at first thought the ZYX was a different arrangement and performance. Then we figured it was a different take from the same session. Finally we realized it was the identical take but sounding soooo wrong, it was difficult to identify. I guaranty you, the ZYX was cut either from a CD or some other source that the mastering engineer completely ruined when he cut it.
Vinyl Lovers definitely cuts from CDs. I was at a show in Scandinavia and someone was playing a Vinyl Lovers Rod Stewart LP. I had a track on a CD made from the original pressing and we compared the two and the CD killed the vinyl played back on a very good turntable. Not even close and obviously cut from a commercial CD. You can read a review of a Vinyl Lover's John Cale reissue on this site. It's not pretty.
Simply Vinyl refuses to identify sources. Actually some of them, especially those licensed from EMI, can sound very good and could very well be analog tape sourced, but the company refuses to identify sources. I'd stay away.
Recently a friend brought over a copy of Jeff Buckley's Grace album Simply Vinyl had reissued. I had the original European vinyl. We compared. The original was much better. The SV reissue was bright and hard by comparison.
The bottom line is, be careful. Just because something's been pressed on 180 gram vinyl doesn't mean its going to sound good or that it was sourced from analog.

TIENDAS EN QUE HE OBTENIDO BUENOS RESULTADOS
Los cabrones de la industria Acoustic Sounds. Dueños también de Analogue Productions, Classic Records y otros sellos y plantas: http://store.acousti...5/Vinyl_Records
Elusive Disc http://www.elusivedisc.com/default.asp
Music Direct: http://www.musicdire...6-vinyl-lp.aspx
Discos usados:
Ebay
Discogs
Eil: http://eil.com/

ENLACES
http://www.analogplanet.com/
http://recordcollectormag.com/
http://www.high-enda...om/supreme.html Best sounding records (recomendable)
http://www.classic-c...ectorsguide.asp guía música clásica
http://www.goldminemag.com/
http://www.45rpmreco..._rite_house.php guía discos 45 rpm
http://www.revolutio...tors_guide.html guía música clásica
http://www.high-enda....com/softw.html guía de compra música clásica (recomendable)
http://www.anoraksco...gPlantInfo.html plantas de prensado en estados unidos
http://forums.steveh...rix-etc.124102/ algunos datos sobre ediciones de the beatles
http://sounds.bl.uk/...cord-catalogues These early catalogues cover discs produced by record companies for the British market during the acoustic era from 1898 to 1926
http://gasdisc.oakap...com/matrix4.htm información de identificación discos antiguos
http://www.mosaicrecords.com/

Gracias Alberto! Comenzaré a armarme una pequeña selección de vinilos y esta info me viene como anillo al dedo.

La versión "rincon del vago" del articulo seria algo así como:

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Music On Vinyl
Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

 

Saludos!

[rrohland 1.183]

Igual tengo varios vinilos de Music On Vinyl, y algunos suenan muy bien, así es que no estoy tan de acuerdo en que valgan hongo.

Otro sello que generalmente tiene un muy buen sonido, EMHO, y que no aparece mencionado en el resumen es Elektra.

Eso...

[Giuseppe55 685]

hace 7 minutos, rrohland dijo:

Igual tengo varios vinilos de Music On Vinyl, y algunos suenan muy bien, así es que no estoy tan de acuerdo en que valgan hongo.

Otro sello que generalmente tiene un muy buen sonido, EMHO, y que no aparece mencionado en el resumen es Elektra.

Eso...

Agregaría a los recomendables .............con excelente sonido

Blue note...... en jazz y blues

Tacet....... en música clásica

[Gilgamesh 250]

Actualizo listado con los nuevos recomendados:

 

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Blue note...... en jazz y blues (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Tacet....... en música clásica (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Elektra (sugerido por @rrohland)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Music On Vinyl (Algunos suenan muy bien... @rrohland)
Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

 

 

[Alberto 244]

hace 13 horas, Gilgamesh dijo:

Actualizo listado con los nuevos recomendados:

 

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Blue note...... en jazz y blues (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Tacet....... en música clásica (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Elektra (sugerido por @rrohland)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Music On Vinyl (Algunos suenan muy bien... @rrohland)
Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

 

 

Para ser rigurosos, más que sugerencias basadas en apreciaciones subjetivas, la lista, por cierto incompleta porque se suman sellos, tiene que ver con el material que se usa para la reedición. Solo se incluyen los sellos que usan las cintas originales o los masters originales. La diferencia es que muchos sellos usan copias o digitalizaciones de estas. Incluso ediciones en cd pasadas a vinilo a posteriori.

Eventualmente pueden incluír los fueron grabados en digital riginalmente, que fue la técnica que paulatinamente desplazó a la cinta en la producción de vinilos a partir de los ochentas.

[Patagonia 739]

hace 13 horas, Gilgamesh dijo:

Actualizo listado con los nuevos recomendados:

 

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Blue note...... en jazz y blues (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Tacet....... en música clásica (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Elektra (sugerido por @rrohland)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Music On Vinyl (Algunos suenan muy bien... @rrohland)
Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

 

 

Music On Vinyl Suena muy bien, cámbialo de la lado. El tema es que normalmente son masters digitales, si quieres evitar eso entonces no pero no es mandatorio, además la mayoría de las grabaciones modernas ya son digitales, MOV es lo mejorcito para este tipo de grabaciones muchas veces con mejor resultado que el digital respectivo...prueba ponte el Unplugged de Alice in Chains.

 

Blue Note las ediciones nuevas se fueron en la ahorradora y los prensados son malos, muchos con papas fritas y ruido de fondo, prefiero buscar uno de época o ir por ediciones más cuidadas de su mismo catálogo en otros sellos. Ahora sacaron otra serie que al parecer estaría mejor hecha "Blue Note Tone Poet Series" pero no he escuchado ninguno aún.

Editado March 31, 2019 at 14:10 por Patagonia

[Gilgamesh 250]

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Blue note...... en jazz y blues (sugerido por @Giuseppe55) (Precaución con ediciones nuevas.  Prensados malos.  @Patagonia )
Tacet....... en música clásica (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Elektra (sugerido por @rrohland)

Music On Vinyl (Algunos suenan muy bien... @rrohland) (Se retira de la lista de sellos a evitar a recomendación de @Patagonia Máster digitales pero ediciones de calidad)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

[Alberto 244]

On 31/3/2019 at 13:26, Gilgamesh dijo:

Sellos de vinilos de calidad:

Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFSL)
Classic Records
Nimbus Supercut 
Nautilus
CBS Mastersound
Sheffield Lab
Pure Pleasure
Sundazed
Warner/R.T.I.
Analogue Productions
ORG
ORG Music
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Rhino
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Sony/Legacy (algunas grabaciones más recientes)
Blue note...... en jazz y blues (sugerido por @Giuseppe55) (Precaución con ediciones nuevas.  Prensados malos.  @Patagonia )
Tacet....... en música clásica (sugerido por @Giuseppe55)
Elektra (sugerido por @rrohland)

Music On Vinyl (Algunos suenan muy bien... @rrohland) (Se retira de la lista de sellos a evitar a recomendación de @Patagonia Máster digitales pero ediciones de calidad)

Sellos de vinilos a evitar:

Doxy 
ZYX from Germany
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas

siguen sin cachar el punto.

no se trata de apreciaciones subejetivas, sino de la procedencia de la grabación. music on vinyl no usa cintas origianles cuando las hay. punto. hice el alcance de las grabaciones digitales, por lo que quedan excluídos los discos que fueron grabados análogos.

si quieres establecer una lista de apreciaciones subjetivas, este no es el hilo.

[rrohland 1.183]

hace 10 minutos, Alberto dijo:

siguen sin cachar el punto.

no se trata de apreciaciones subejetivas, sino de la procedencia de la grabación. music on vinyl no usa cintas origianles cuando las hay. punto. hice el alcance de las grabaciones digitales, por lo que quedan excluídos los discos que fueron grabados análogos.

si quieres establecer una lista de apreciaciones subjetivas, este no es el hilo.

Ahhh bueno!!! Con esa amabilidad, cualquiera entiende! 

Retiro todos mis comentarios por subjetivos y tendenciosos. Sorry,

[Gilgamesh 250]

Ahora, Alberto dijo:

 

si quieres establecer una lista de apreciaciones subjetivas, este no es el hilo.

Seguramente tienes razon Alberto... yo no se nada de vinilos y tu al parecer ya lo sabes todo.  Yo estoy recien empezando y tu ya te sientes al final del camino.... esto justifica el derroche de arrogancia de tu comentario? No lo creo.

Espero que solo hayas tenido un mal dia.  Mis mejores deseos para ti.

[Mr_oD 3.303]

Yo tengo discos de MOV que sí utilizaron el master original... me parece que estamos ante una investigación subjetivamente maoma noma...  

[Alberto 244]

On 2/4/2019 at 23:29, Gilgamesh dijo:

Seguramente tienes razon Alberto... yo no se nada de vinilos y tu al parecer ya lo sabes todo.  Yo estoy recien empezando y tu ya te sientes al final del camino.... esto justifica el derroche de arrogancia de tu comentario? No lo creo.

Espero que solo hayas tenido un mal dia.  Mis mejores deseos para ti.

Estoy tratando de ser objetivo. Doy argumentos para no ser emocional. También soy amable, pero eso no tiene nada que ver con la dialéctica.

[Alberto 244]

On 2/4/2019 at 9:46, Mr_oD dijo:

Yo tengo discos de MOV que sí utilizaron el master original... me parece que estamos ante una investigación subjetivamente maoma noma...  

Usa tu tiempo positivamente y haz una buena entonces. Los sellos listados SOLO usan fuentes originales...no a veces (si es que**, no es lo mismo analog tapes, que original analog tapes). Yo no me dedico a descalificar el trabajo de otros en beneficio de los demás. La lista la heredé de mi experiencia y de Mick Fremer, que algo sabe de esto. Hay un vínculo a los artículos. Además solo constituye un detalle del hilo que hice, que no es tampoco una investigación sino mi experiencia para identificar versiones que se acercan o que son las originales, etc.

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Which masters do you use?

We use the best audio available to cut our records. We receive and use different kinds of masters: analogue tapes, original metal parts, lacquers cut from analogue tapes and high res digital files 192/96khz/24 bit. Music On Vinyl does not use CD's as masters.

Editado April 5, 2019 at 22:47 por Alberto

[Mr_oD 3.303]

Por favor!  a todos los foreros que tienen prescripción de antipsicóticos no olviden tomar su dosis antes de postear, así no escribirán de forma emocional ni andarán dando remedio para los callos... 

[CBermeos 19]

On 2/16/2017 at 10:08 AM, Mr_oD said:

Calma, todo se ve bien fíjate en el historial de ventas de ese disco me apareció en euros pero el precio está bien, respecto a las diferencias de precio es algo común sobre todo si el que vende es del tipo liquidador de stocks! 

• Último vendido el Dec 18, 2016
• €19.29 Promedio
• €15.88 Precio medio
• €49.99 precio más alto
• €15.88 precio más bajo

Claramente lo es. Está marcado como " Unofficial Release ".

[estebanf 264]

On 31/3/2019 at 11:07, Patagonia dijo:

Music On Vinyl Suena muy bien, cámbialo de la lado. El tema es que normalmente son masters digitales, si quieres evitar eso entonces no pero no es mandatorio, además la mayoría de las grabaciones modernas ya son digitales, MOV es lo mejorcito para este tipo de grabaciones muchas veces con mejor resultado que el digital respectivo...prueba ponte el Unplugged de Alice in Chains.

 

Blue Note las ediciones nuevas se fueron en la ahorradora y los prensados son malos, muchos con papas fritas y ruido de fondo, prefiero buscar uno de época o ir por ediciones más cuidadas de su mismo catálogo en otros sellos. Ahora sacaron otra serie que al parecer estaría mejor hecha "Blue Note Tone Poet Series" pero no he escuchado ninguno aún.

el poet series es un símil de musicmatters  mismo carton gruesote¡ el material del vinilo es diferente probablemente en la serie barata es pvc o algo por el estilo y en los poet ni idea, no conozco la materialidad. pero es diferente y mejor , ademas son de 180 grs reales todos en 33 si hay algun titulo que te guste de la serie vale la pena ir por uno.   @Alberto definitivamente sacaría de la lista de los a evitar , music on vinyl suenan muy bien al menos en jazz  que es lo que compro.... y precio bajo , faltaria ECM , nonesuch, OTi 

 serie barata  de bluenote, las ediciones europeas son con buen prensado, prensadas allá

[Alberto 244]

hace 24 minutos, estebanf dijo:

   @Alberto definitivamente sacaría de la lista de los a evitar , music on vinyl suenan muy bien al menos en jazz  que es lo que compro.... y precio bajo , faltaria ECM , nonesuch, OTi 

 serie barata  de bluenote, las ediciones europeas son con buen prensado, prensadas allá

Hola, arriba explico porqué está en la lista. Hay muchos que pudieran sonar bién (aunque eso se responde solo si se compara con el disco original, para tener un parámetro standard); solo que el listado tiene que ver con la procedencia original o no de una cinta (o fuente digital)- De todos modos, no todos los discos están reeditados con su fuente original y no siempre es posible conseguir el disco original. El sentido del listado, que está citado de Michael Fremer, que visita personalmente los sellos, estudios de masterización, plantas de prensado y se relaciona con los ingenieros que hacen estos trabajos. Hay muchas especulaciones y mentiras en la oferta de discos y categorizaciones ambiguas como 180 gr o audiófilos (qué chs. significa eso).

Cuando se habla que en los ochentas se hizo paulatinamente el cambio de formato de grabación de análogo a digital, también se hizo la sustitución del soporte a cd, por lo que el acervo de música en formato vinilo de décadas es mayoritariamente analógica. También, aunque el catálogo de reedicones actuales (con el material original) se ha ido incrementando, podemos decir que la mayor parte permanece en sus versiones originales y subsecuentes reimpresiones, por lo que la guía trata más de dar algunos datos (por eso es incompleta) para identificar esos discos...pero con el cambio del sitio web, se perdieron todas las imágenes de ejemplo.

En caso particular que mencionas, como puse más arriba, ellos mismo establecen en su sitio:

Which masters do you use?

We use the best audio available to cut our records. We receive and use different kinds of masters: analogue tapes, original metal parts, lacquers cut from analogue tapes and high res digital files 192/96khz/24 bit. Music On Vinyl does not use CD's as masters.

Eso, en el criterio de Fremer no califica como sello "confiable", es decir que exclusivamente usa la fuente original.

[estebanf 264]

hace 1 hora, Alberto dijo:

Hola, arriba explico porqué está en la lista. Hay muchos que pudieran sonar bién (aunque eso se responde solo si se compara con el disco original, para tener un parámetro standard); solo que el listado tiene que ver con la procedencia original o no de una cinta (o fuente digital)- De todos modos, no todos los discos están reeditados con su fuente original y no siempre es posible conseguir el disco original. El sentido del listado, que está citado de Michael Fremer, que visita personalmente los sellos, estudios de masterización, plantas de prensado y se relaciona con los ingenieros que hacen estos trabajos. Hay muchas especulaciones y mentiras en la oferta de discos y categorizaciones ambiguas como 180 gr o audiófilos (qué chs. significa eso).

Cuando se habla que en los ochentas se hizo paulatinamente el cambio de formato de grabación de análogo a digital, también se hizo la sustitución del soporte a cd, por lo que el acervo de música en formato vinilo de décadas es mayoritariamente analógica. También, aunque el catálogo de reedicones actuales (con el material original) se ha ido incrementando, podemos decir que la mayor parte permanece en sus versiones originales y subsecuentes reimpresiones, por lo que la guía trata más de dar algunos datos (por eso es incompleta) para identificar esos discos...pero con el cambio del sitio web, se perdieron todas las imágenes de ejemplo.

En caso particular que mencionas, como puse más arriba, ellos mismo establecen en su sitio:

Which masters do you use?

We use the best audio available to cut our records. We receive and use different kinds of masters: analogue tapes, original metal parts, lacquers cut from analogue tapes and high res digital files 192/96khz/24 bit. Music On Vinyl does not use CD's as masters.

Eso, en el criterio de Fremer no califica como sello "confiable", es decir que exclusivamente usa la fuente original.

mientras un remasterizado suene mejor que un master original el dogma y el sr fremer es purismo  de coleccionista. no habia visto la explicacion. s2s

[eastwood 9]

Tristemente me gustan muchas bandas que están en el sello Anti Records, como Dr Dog y Glen Hansard. Suenan relativamente mal, y en ocasiones vienen con algunas rayas de fabrica. He tenido suerte con algunos, pero es raro